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	<link>http://electra.blogsome.com/2009/05/06/the-philosophy-of-truth/</link>
	<description>i am a mess in my open-eyed youth.</description>
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		<title>by: buddhist amulet</title>
		<link>http://electra.blogsome.com/2009/05/06/the-philosophy-of-truth/#comment-4983</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 07:04:15 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>good luck to everyone</description>
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		<title>by: buddha statue</title>
		<link>http://electra.blogsome.com/2009/05/06/the-philosophy-of-truth/#comment-4926</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:44:08 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>buddhism is a religion in spite of its claim to otherwise.</description>
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		<title>by: Nick</title>
		<link>http://electra.blogsome.com/2009/05/06/the-philosophy-of-truth/#comment-4863</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 16:36:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Allow me to wish you good luck in your spiritual search then. We obviously disagree nearly completely on the matter of Buddhism: not least of all this idea -also espoused by others in this thread- that there is a perfect Buddhism which nobody follows, and an imperfect Buddhism which everybody follows. They cannot be separated from each other, the former being merely the glossy brochure for the latter. But our disagreement on this matter is probably too severe for me to persuade you of this. 

Since you intend to research, however, do consider this as an alternative perspective: religions (including Buddhism) are political and ideological, and deserve to be evaluated with the same critical eye that you might bring to -for example- the policies of your government. Not the tedious mahanayakes etc., which is obvious anyway -I'm referring to the 'philosophy' of Buddhism itself, the thing that you speak of as the perfect Buddhism that nobody follows. It has as many agendas and semantic flaws as your average headline article in the Island or the Daily News. When you say things like &quot;Buddhism as a philosophy does encourage one to experience and discover things for oneself&quot;, you're repeating a propaganda headline without realising it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Allow me to wish you good luck in your spiritual search then. We obviously disagree nearly completely on the matter of Buddhism: not least of all this idea -also espoused by others in this thread- that there is a perfect Buddhism which nobody follows, and an imperfect Buddhism which everybody follows. They cannot be separated from each other, the former being merely the glossy brochure for the latter. But our disagreement on this matter is probably too severe for me to persuade you of this. </p>
	<p>Since you intend to research, however, do consider this as an alternative perspective: religions (including Buddhism) are political and ideological, and deserve to be evaluated with the same critical eye that you might bring to -for example- the policies of your government. Not the tedious mahanayakes etc., which is obvious anyway -I&#8217;m referring to the &#8216;philosophy&#8217; of Buddhism itself, the thing that you speak of as the perfect Buddhism that nobody follows. It has as many agendas and semantic flaws as your average headline article in the Island or the Daily News. When you say things like &#8220;Buddhism as a philosophy does encourage one to experience and discover things for oneself&#8221;, you&#8217;re repeating a propaganda headline without realising it.
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		<title>by: electra</title>
		<link>http://electra.blogsome.com/2009/05/06/the-philosophy-of-truth/#comment-4862</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 18:32:49 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Nick: I think you're right in that people that supposedly practice Buddhism don't question and doubt. But let's not blame the game, only the player. Sure, many Buddhist (particularly) in Sri Lanka blindly follow what they are taught by monks etc. But Buddhism as a philosophy does encourage one to experience and discover things for oneself: that's what the whole theory of Nirvana is based on. It encourages one to question life and purpose and the meaning of life, as well as it's own explanations and methods. Just because Buddhists today do not do so, it is not a failing or a lie on the part of the Dhamma. Many 'Buddhists' do not do many things right, in that case: even the most core, fundamental practices such as meditation only come second to engaging in the customs such as going to temple and not consuming alcohol or meat on Poya day! People don't do a lot of things right, Nick, but that's not to say it's the fault of those things themselves.

And, I have doubted. A lot. I have questioned. It was through all this doubting and questioning that I have independently come to think that maybe Buddhist philosophy has some of the most plausible solutions. I am still not certain it is 'the' way, but it certainly seems the most rational and practical of all the 'ways' out there. I am still doubting and questioning, so I continue to read and absorb and seek. When and if I ever come to final conclusion, I'll let you know. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nick: I think you&#8217;re right in that people that supposedly practice Buddhism don&#8217;t question and doubt. But let&#8217;s not blame the game, only the player. Sure, many Buddhist (particularly) in Sri Lanka blindly follow what they are taught by monks etc. But Buddhism as a philosophy does encourage one to experience and discover things for oneself: that&#8217;s what the whole theory of Nirvana is based on. It encourages one to question life and purpose and the meaning of life, as well as it&#8217;s own explanations and methods. Just because Buddhists today do not do so, it is not a failing or a lie on the part of the Dhamma. Many &#8216;Buddhists&#8217; do not do many things right, in that case: even the most core, fundamental practices such as meditation only come second to engaging in the customs such as going to temple and not consuming alcohol or meat on Poya day! People don&#8217;t do a lot of things right, Nick, but that&#8217;s not to say it&#8217;s the fault of those things themselves.</p>
	<p>And, I have doubted. A lot. I have questioned. It was through all this doubting and questioning that I have independently come to think that maybe Buddhist philosophy has some of the most plausible solutions. I am still not certain it is &#8216;the&#8217; way, but it certainly seems the most rational and practical of all the &#8216;ways&#8217; out there. I am still doubting and questioning, so I continue to read and absorb and seek. When and if I ever come to final conclusion, I&#8217;ll let you know.
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		<title>by: Nick</title>
		<link>http://electra.blogsome.com/2009/05/06/the-philosophy-of-truth/#comment-4861</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 16:44:01 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>electra-

&quot;Buddhism encourages us to ... doubt and to wonder and to go out there and discover it ourselves... and not follow blindly or unquestioningly.&quot;

Buddhism *says* it does, but in truth, it does not. Buddhism lies, like any other religion, to suit its own agenda. Consider: what of Buddhism is being doubted today? On a daily basis, how many Buddhists doubt or question the theory or practice of Buddhism? Buddhism is built on conformity, like any other religion, except Buddhists are also expected to conform to the idea that they are intellectually curious doubters and questioners. A neat rhetorical trick, perhaps, but not much else besides.

For example, you believe in reincarnation. As sittingnut points out, reincarnation is unnecessary. It is a crass supernatural idea, alongside gods and fairies and so forth, and it has no relevance to Buddhist theory per se. That is, Buddhist ideas can be interpreted in the context of the real world (the world where people have only one life) and in my view, modern-day Buddhists would lose nothing (and gain much) in doing so. Then also, such an interpretation would have to adapt and correct many of the malformed ideas that surround the &quot;reincarnation&quot; concept, such as &quot;karma&quot;, &quot;heaven&quot;, &quot;hell&quot;, &quot;sin&quot;, &quot;nirvana&quot; and so forth. There is clearly enough intellectual work here for a generation or two of doubting, questioning, discovery-oriented young Buddhists. The dross of the last century of cobbled-together Buddhism could be cleared out, and perhaps a new Buddhism could emerge, one that could justify its claims to humanism and compassion.

And yet this has not happened, and is highly unlikely to happen. I can't imagine Buddhists debating or considering even such a simple thing, because Buddhists are just as hidebound traditionalists as the members of any other religion. 

You have doubted nothing, and questioned nothing. And therefore, of course, you are a perfect Buddhist.</description>
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	<p>&#8220;Buddhism encourages us to &#8230; doubt and to wonder and to go out there and discover it ourselves&#8230; and not follow blindly or unquestioningly.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Buddhism *says* it does, but in truth, it does not. Buddhism lies, like any other religion, to suit its own agenda. Consider: what of Buddhism is being doubted today? On a daily basis, how many Buddhists doubt or question the theory or practice of Buddhism? Buddhism is built on conformity, like any other religion, except Buddhists are also expected to conform to the idea that they are intellectually curious doubters and questioners. A neat rhetorical trick, perhaps, but not much else besides.</p>
	<p>For example, you believe in reincarnation. As sittingnut points out, reincarnation is unnecessary. It is a crass supernatural idea, alongside gods and fairies and so forth, and it has no relevance to Buddhist theory per se. That is, Buddhist ideas can be interpreted in the context of the real world (the world where people have only one life) and in my view, modern-day Buddhists would lose nothing (and gain much) in doing so. Then also, such an interpretation would have to adapt and correct many of the malformed ideas that surround the &#8220;reincarnation&#8221; concept, such as &#8220;karma&#8221;, &#8220;heaven&#8221;, &#8220;hell&#8221;, &#8220;sin&#8221;, &#8220;nirvana&#8221; and so forth. There is clearly enough intellectual work here for a generation or two of doubting, questioning, discovery-oriented young Buddhists. The dross of the last century of cobbled-together Buddhism could be cleared out, and perhaps a new Buddhism could emerge, one that could justify its claims to humanism and compassion.</p>
	<p>And yet this has not happened, and is highly unlikely to happen. I can&#8217;t imagine Buddhists debating or considering even such a simple thing, because Buddhists are just as hidebound traditionalists as the members of any other religion. </p>
	<p>You have doubted nothing, and questioned nothing. And therefore, of course, you are a perfect Buddhist.
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		<title>by: Kalusudda</title>
		<link>http://electra.blogsome.com/2009/05/06/the-philosophy-of-truth/#comment-4859</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 07:15:47 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Hello Bodhisattvas, may you see yourselves.</description>
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		<title>by: prasad</title>
		<link>http://electra.blogsome.com/2009/05/06/the-philosophy-of-truth/#comment-4858</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 22:29:26 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Hey sittingnut, Buddhism is the art of committing mental suicide. Didn't you know this?</description>
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		<title>by: Anna</title>
		<link>http://electra.blogsome.com/2009/05/06/the-philosophy-of-truth/#comment-4857</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 11:11:41 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>so, here is THE question for the two of you. 

SNUT and Electra, would you two marry each other eventually ?

The chemistry is undeniable and both of you are so into each other. oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

SNUT and Electra 
sitting on tree
kiss 
first comes ring and 
then comes suffering 
kiss. 

seriously, you two seem to follow each other quite a lot for two people who hate each other so much. 

This is typical romance novel in the making. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>so, here is THE question for the two of you. </p>
	<p>SNUT and Electra, would you two marry each other eventually ?</p>
	<p>The chemistry is undeniable and both of you are so into each other. oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh</p>
	<p>SNUT and Electra<br />
sitting on tree<br />
kiss<br />
first comes ring and<br />
then comes suffering<br />
kiss. </p>
	<p>seriously, you two seem to follow each other quite a lot for two people who hate each other so much. </p>
	<p>This is typical romance novel in the making.
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		<title>by: electra</title>
		<link>http://electra.blogsome.com/2009/05/06/the-philosophy-of-truth/#comment-4854</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 07:44:00 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Also, I don't want anyone to think that I am advocating Buddhism as the best religion ever. Like I mentioned, I respect all religions have grown up with them all. I made this post actually as an academic look at Buddhism and why it is intellectually interesting. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Also, I don&#8217;t want anyone to think that I am advocating Buddhism as the best religion ever. Like I mentioned, I respect all religions have grown up with them all. I made this post actually as an academic look at Buddhism and why it is intellectually interesting.
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		<title>by: electra</title>
		<link>http://electra.blogsome.com/2009/05/06/the-philosophy-of-truth/#comment-4853</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 07:34:40 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>sittingnut: As usual, you have missed the point deliberately. Suicide obviously is not the answer, because it would not end suffering. It would end this life, but then it will just lead to another where you will suffer. It is not unfamiliar that people call Buddhism pessimistic, but like I said, it's neither falsely optimistic or falsely pessimistic. It's realistic. It's always hard to accept the reality, especially when it tells us that everything we love and hold dear is just a passing thing. Humans have an inherent attachment to life, we have the survival instinct built into us, this is why the Buddhist philosophy of life=suffering is hard to come to terms with. Again, like I said, this is only one way of life. It is by no means advocated as the ONLY way of life. It is the path one might take if one is deeply discontent and sees that all is impermanent and therefore attachment will inevitably lead to pain. Remember that this wasn't pointed out to Siddhartha. He was merely deeply personally unsatisfied and wanted answers. Like him, I'm sure there are others who sometimes wonder how to end the suffering. This practice and method is for those of us who want it. It is certainly not for everyone, I admit that. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>sittingnut: As usual, you have missed the point deliberately. Suicide obviously is not the answer, because it would not end suffering. It would end this life, but then it will just lead to another where you will suffer. It is not unfamiliar that people call Buddhism pessimistic, but like I said, it&#8217;s neither falsely optimistic or falsely pessimistic. It&#8217;s realistic. It&#8217;s always hard to accept the reality, especially when it tells us that everything we love and hold dear is just a passing thing. Humans have an inherent attachment to life, we have the survival instinct built into us, this is why the Buddhist philosophy of life=suffering is hard to come to terms with. Again, like I said, this is only one way of life. It is by no means advocated as the ONLY way of life. It is the path one might take if one is deeply discontent and sees that all is impermanent and therefore attachment will inevitably lead to pain. Remember that this wasn&#8217;t pointed out to Siddhartha. He was merely deeply personally unsatisfied and wanted answers. Like him, I&#8217;m sure there are others who sometimes wonder how to end the suffering. This practice and method is for those of us who want it. It is certainly not for everyone, I admit that.
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